Comments on: HD VoIP? Oh, Brother… http://phoneboy.com/1321/hd-voip-oh-brother Simplifying Network Security, Telecom, Gadgets, and More! Fri, 19 Mar 2010 15:26:22 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: A.T. http://phoneboy.com/1321/hd-voip-oh-brother/comment-page-1#comment-25720 A.T. Tue, 19 Feb 2008 23:06:07 +0000 http://www.phoneboy.com/node/1321#comment-25720 @Phoneboy I do not give up that easy to all cloaked nicety of Skype :D i prefer to know what i run on my machine and where it sends what ;) and i do not see any big difference on "Skype-to-Skype with iSAC on 16kHz" and "SIP-to-SIP on Speex with 16kHz"... should I try differentiate them harder? lol @Phoneboy I do not give up that easy to all cloaked nicety of Skype :D i prefer to know what i run on my machine and where it sends what ;) and i do not see any big difference on “Skype-to-Skype with iSAC on 16kHz” and “SIP-to-SIP on Speex with 16kHz”… should I try differentiate them harder? lol

]]> By: PhoneBoy http://phoneboy.com/1321/hd-voip-oh-brother/comment-page-1#comment-25719 PhoneBoy Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:00:27 +0000 http://www.phoneboy.com/node/1321#comment-25719 @peter even if the transport is encrypted, a-la Skype, the endpoints themselves are susceptible to being hacked. That's how most of the Skype "interception" equipment works for the most part. @A.T. I have a hard time using other VoIP tools because of the quality of Skype. :) @peter even if the transport is encrypted, a-la Skype, the endpoints themselves are susceptible to being hacked. That’s how most of the Skype “interception” equipment works for the most part.

@A.T. I have a hard time using other VoIP tools because of the quality of Skype. :)

]]> By: A.T. http://phoneboy.com/1321/hd-voip-oh-brother/comment-page-1#comment-25718 A.T. Tue, 19 Feb 2008 19:55:06 +0000 http://www.phoneboy.com/node/1321#comment-25718 no, high-quality VoIP is not a joke - it is quite feasible, and often available right there... but there are few factors against of it. Firstly, your operator (last mile, be it DSL or cable or even IP-over-avian cheapest carrier) is _not_ interested to give you high quality, it is interested to push as more herrings into... ergh, I mean cheap VoIP calls into available bandwidth. And current battle "Bittorrent-humans vs Comcast-and-all-big-telco-cable-brotherhood" is clearest example - telcos are in business of "yes, we sold you 8mb/sec downstream but you may not use it for full". Secondly, the other side of coin is purely psychological - once you get used to HD, even slightest distortions will bother you like sharp knife: is this what you are looking for? no, high-quality VoIP is not a joke – it is quite feasible, and often available right there… but there are few factors against of it. Firstly, your operator (last mile, be it DSL or cable or even IP-over-avian cheapest carrier) is _not_ interested to give you high quality, it is interested to push as more herrings into… ergh, I mean cheap VoIP calls into available bandwidth. And current battle “Bittorrent-humans vs Comcast-and-all-big-telco-cable-brotherhood” is clearest example – telcos are in business of “yes, we sold you 8mb/sec downstream but you may not use it for full”. Secondly, the other side of coin is purely psychological – once you get used to HD, even slightest distortions will bother you like sharp knife: is this what you are looking for?

]]> By: Peter http://phoneboy.com/1321/hd-voip-oh-brother/comment-page-1#comment-25717 Peter Tue, 19 Feb 2008 13:15:44 +0000 http://www.phoneboy.com/node/1321#comment-25717 If you want to trial a "HD VoIP" environment (16K, 22K or higher audio for the rest of us) then do give FreeSWITCH a try. It's an Open Source telephony platform and should release this week their first Release Candidate anticipating their upcoming 1.0 release. Get a server, install Red Hat Enterpise Linux (or it's free alternative called CentOS) and FreeSWITCH and hook up a couple of Polycom IP430 or IP560 phones. It even does end-to-end encrypted calls too (TLS/SRTP). That's even safer than Skype with that German company selling Skype interception equipment to their government (like the NSA does not have that...). Enjoy the real stuff: Open Source & Open Standard HD VoIP. Not that PC bound proprietary Skype crap who's feature is questionable to say the least. The project lives at http://www.freeswitch.org Support is available in the irc channel #freeswitch on irc.freenode.net or the mailinglist (subscribe at freeswitch.org). If you want to trial a “HD VoIP” environment (16K, 22K or higher audio for the rest of us) then do give FreeSWITCH a try. It’s an Open Source telephony platform and should release this week their first Release Candidate anticipating their upcoming 1.0 release. Get a server, install Red Hat Enterpise Linux (or it’s free alternative called CentOS) and FreeSWITCH and hook up a couple of Polycom IP430 or IP560 phones. It even does end-to-end encrypted calls too (TLS/SRTP). That’s even safer than Skype with that German company selling Skype interception equipment to their government (like the NSA does not have that…). Enjoy the real stuff: Open Source & Open Standard HD VoIP. Not that PC bound proprietary Skype crap who’s feature is questionable to say the least. The project lives at http://www.freeswitch.org Support is available in the irc channel #freeswitch on irc.freenode.net or the mailinglist (subscribe at freeswitch.org).

]]> By: john http://phoneboy.com/1321/hd-voip-oh-brother/comment-page-1#comment-23192 john Thu, 08 Nov 2007 08:18:21 +0000 http://www.phoneboy.com/node/1321#comment-23192 HD VOIP?? LOL, that is a joke! Do you really think anyone would purchase this? Unless you have money to spend down the drain.. Come on people, what are high speed internet providers thinking? http://t1survey.com HD VOIP?? LOL, that is a joke! Do you really think anyone would purchase this? Unless you have money to spend down the drain.. Come on people, what are high speed internet providers thinking? http://t1survey.com

]]> By: The Truth About HD VoIP - VoIP News http://phoneboy.com/1321/hd-voip-oh-brother/comment-page-1#comment-23156 The Truth About HD VoIP - VoIP News Tue, 06 Nov 2007 06:13:51 +0000 http://www.phoneboy.com/node/1321#comment-23156 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] down for SkypeOut calls, which must transition to the PSTN using codecs that only capture that 8 KHz of sound. So although you may speak into your computer and Skype may capture 16 KHz of sound, your overall [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> Kramer auto Pingback[...] down for SkypeOut calls, which must transition to the PSTN using codecs that only capture that 8 KHz of sound. So although you may speak into your computer and Skype may capture 16 KHz of sound, your overall [...]

]]> By: Stephen Brown http://phoneboy.com/1321/hd-voip-oh-brother/comment-page-1#comment-22330 Stephen Brown Wed, 19 Sep 2007 22:11:50 +0000 http://www.phoneboy.com/node/1321#comment-22330 I'm sure part of the talk of HD VoIP comes from the recent articles that appeared in eWeek. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2181656,00.asp It would seem like until we get the performance and bandwidth issues worked out with good "old-fashioned" VoIP that moving to HD-VoIP doesn't make sense. The thought that now I'll be able to hear tele-marketers crystal clear in Hi-Def really doesn't do a lot for me. I’m sure part of the talk of HD VoIP comes from the recent articles that appeared in eWeek. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2181656,00.asp

It would seem like until we get the performance and bandwidth issues worked out with good “old-fashioned” VoIP that moving to HD-VoIP doesn’t make sense. The thought that now I’ll be able to hear tele-marketers crystal clear in Hi-Def really doesn’t do a lot for me.

]]> By: Network Performance Daily http://phoneboy.com/1321/hd-voip-oh-brother/comment-page-1#comment-22298 Network Performance Daily Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:36:41 +0000 http://www.phoneboy.com/node/1321#comment-22298 <strong>Network Performance Links: HD VoIP, iPanic, and one man's four-core trash is another man's three-core treasure....</strong> The Phoneboy Blog: HD VoIP? Oh, Brother… Phoneboy talks about HD VoIP, or VoIP that sounds like it's coming from a CD Player, not a phone. That's entirely plausible, but, as he points out, it's a major increased bandwidth cost...... Network Performance Links: HD VoIP, iPanic, and one man’s four-core trash is another man’s three-core treasure….

The Phoneboy Blog: HD VoIP? Oh, Brother… Phoneboy talks about HD VoIP, or VoIP that sounds like it’s coming from a CD Player, not a phone. That’s entirely plausible, but, as he points out, it’s a major increased bandwidth cost……

]]> By: Vic http://phoneboy.com/1321/hd-voip-oh-brother/comment-page-1#comment-7600 Vic Tue, 20 Mar 2007 21:30:46 +0000 http://www.phoneboy.com/node/1321#comment-7600 I had no clue HD VoIP was even around. Apprently it's so limited that I'm not suprised I havent. http://nationwideLD.com I had no clue HD VoIP was even around. Apprently it’s so limited that I’m not suprised I havent.

http://nationwideLD.com

]]> By: Mark R. Lindsey http://phoneboy.com/1321/hd-voip-oh-brother/comment-page-1#comment-4166 Mark R. Lindsey Sun, 11 Feb 2007 04:11:08 +0000 http://www.phoneboy.com/node/1321#comment-4166 PolyCom is starting to advertise better-quality codecs built into their hard phones. They sound nice, talking to one another; but I wonder if the tiny marginal difference in a 16-bit codec is going to matter to anyone. Of course, PolyCom's are big sellers among VoIP service providers lately. And carrier-to-carrier VoIP peering is moving along, slowly. Maybe some day the nicer codecs will matter. PolyCom is starting to advertise better-quality codecs built into their hard phones. They sound nice, talking to one another; but I wonder if the tiny marginal difference in a 16-bit codec is going to matter to anyone.

Of course, PolyCom’s are big sellers among VoIP service providers lately. And carrier-to-carrier VoIP peering is moving along, slowly. Maybe some day the nicer codecs will matter.

]]> By: PhoneBoy http://phoneboy.com/1321/hd-voip-oh-brother/comment-page-1#comment-3490 PhoneBoy Mon, 05 Feb 2007 19:12:44 +0000 http://www.phoneboy.com/node/1321#comment-3490 Podcasters mostly use Skype for this very reason, John. Non-podcasting consumers are, on the whole, not likely to care. Of course, there are some that are extra sensitive to the use of codecs (some hate G729, for instance). Podcasters mostly use Skype for this very reason, John. Non-podcasting consumers are, on the whole, not likely to care. Of course, there are some that are extra sensitive to the use of codecs (some hate G729, for instance).

]]> By: John Federico http://phoneboy.com/1321/hd-voip-oh-brother/comment-page-1#comment-3481 John Federico Mon, 05 Feb 2007 15:10:51 +0000 http://www.phoneboy.com/node/1321#comment-3481 Consumers may not care, but podcasters care a LOT since many of them record their podcasts using VOIP services like Skype and Gizmo Project. Regards, -jf. -- John Federico http://www.newrules.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnfederico http://johnfederico.brandbrains.net http://www.odmcast.com Consumers may not care, but podcasters care a LOT since many of them record their podcasts using VOIP services like Skype and Gizmo Project.

Regards,

-jf.

–
John Federico

http://www.newrules.com

http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnfederico

http://johnfederico.brandbrains.net

http://www.odmcast.com

]]> By: HD VoIP? -- Alec Saunders .LOG http://phoneboy.com/1321/hd-voip-oh-brother/comment-page-1#comment-3469 HD VoIP? -- Alec Saunders .LOG Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:03:47 +0000 http://www.phoneboy.com/node/1321#comment-3469 [...] asks what HD VoIP is, and PhoneBoy responds that it probably doesn’t mean much.  Wideband CODECS have been around for ages, but because [...] [...] asks what HD VoIP is, and PhoneBoy responds that it probably doesn’t mean much.  Wideband CODECS have been around for ages, but because [...]

]]> By: VoIP, Web 2.0 and a lot of Tech News » LucaFiligheddu.com http://phoneboy.com/1321/hd-voip-oh-brother/comment-page-1#comment-19979 VoIP, Web 2.0 and a lot of Tech News » LucaFiligheddu.com Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.phoneboy.com/node/1321#comment-19979 <!--%kramer-pre%--> A few days ago this post caught my attention. It's about Iristel offering HD VoIP to their users. Today TheVoIPGirl posted some comments and Phoneboy replicated with his take. The first thought has been: great marketing move. Yes, because they're using "HD" applied to voice. "HD" is an acronym widely used because tons of new HD TVs are hitting the market during these months. Retailers show these two letters<!--%kramer-post%--> links from Technorati A few days ago this post caught my attention. It’s about Iristel offering HD VoIP to their users. Today TheVoIPGirl posted some comments and Phoneboy replicated with his take. The first thought has been: great marketing move. Yes, because they’re using “HD” applied to voice. “HD” is an acronym widely used because tons of new HD TVs are hitting the market during these months. Retailers show these two letters

]]> By: Techmeme http://phoneboy.com/1321/hd-voip-oh-brother/comment-page-1#comment-19980 Techmeme Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://www.phoneboy.com/node/1321#comment-19980 <!--%kramer-pre%--> Discussion: The PhoneBoy Blog and Thoughts on VoIP, technology <!--%kramer-post%--> links from Technorati Discussion: The PhoneBoy Blog and Thoughts on VoIP, technology

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