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		<title>By: PhoneBoy</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/2474/nokia-says-we-didnt-remove-the-voip/comment-page-1#comment-26719</link>
		<dc:creator>PhoneBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 04:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Markus I don&#039;t disagree with that. But I also know it will be some future Nseries handsets. Just not those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Markus I don&#8217;t disagree with that. But I also know it will be some future Nseries handsets. Just not those.</p>
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		<title>By: Markus Goebel: Tech News Comments - goebel.net - Letzte Verweise</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/2474/nokia-says-we-didnt-remove-the-voip/comment-page-1#comment-26716</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus Goebel: Tech News Comments - goebel.net - Letzte Verweise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:44:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] http://phoneboy.com/2474/nokia-says-we-didnt-remove-the-voip [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Markus Göbel's Tech News Comments</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/2474/nokia-says-we-didnt-remove-the-voip/comment-page-1#comment-26715</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus Göbel's Tech News Comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Aug 2008 12:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Minority? A small puspin can move a big ass. :)

Read my answer at:

Markus Göbel&#039;s Tech News Comments: Nokia leaves Asterisk users in the cold
http://www.goebel.net/technews/2008/08/nokia-leaves-asterisk-users-in-cold.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Minority? A small puspin can move a big ass. <img src='http://phoneboy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Read my answer at:</p>
<p>Markus Göbel&#8217;s Tech News Comments: Nokia leaves Asterisk users in the cold<br />
<a href="http://www.goebel.net/technews/2008/08/nokia-leaves-asterisk-users-in-cold.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.goebel.net/technews/2008/08/nokia-leaves-asterisk-users-in-cold.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: PhoneBoy</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/2474/nokia-says-we-didnt-remove-the-voip/comment-page-1#comment-26709</link>
		<dc:creator>PhoneBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>However, I think Markus and Dave are in the minority here. While there was a time where I would have had 10 VoIP providers on my Nokia device, I don&#039;t anymore. I guess I change phones too often for that to work well :)

That being said, I understand the frustration. It sounds like the &quot;problem&quot; is only limited to these two handsets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>However, I think Markus and Dave are in the minority here. While there was a time where I would have had 10 VoIP providers on my Nokia device, I don&#8217;t anymore. I guess I change phones too often for that to work well <img src='http://phoneboy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>That being said, I understand the frustration. It sounds like the &#8220;problem&#8221; is only limited to these two handsets.</p>
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		<title>By: Nokia isn&#8217;t ditching VoIP after all! &#8212; Alec Saunders SquawkBox</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/2474/nokia-says-we-didnt-remove-the-voip/comment-page-1#comment-26688</link>
		<dc:creator>Nokia isn&#8217;t ditching VoIP after all! &#8212; Alec Saunders SquawkBox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/2474/nokia-says-we-didnt-remove-the-voip/comment-page-1#comment-26685</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, must say that I totally agree with Markus. It would p*ss me off horribly if future versions of Nokia smart(dumb?)phones wouldn&#039;t support SIP natively anymore. Like Markus, I have several SIP profiles that I use concurrently, and what a hassle it would be with a separate application for each company otherwise (in those cases where the company theoretically would be willing to devote resources to an app).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, must say that I totally agree with Markus. It would p*ss me off horribly if future versions of Nokia smart(dumb?)phones wouldn&#8217;t support SIP natively anymore. Like Markus, I have several SIP profiles that I use concurrently, and what a hassle it would be with a separate application for each company otherwise (in those cases where the company theoretically would be willing to devote resources to an app).</p>
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		<title>By: No VoIP In New Nokia N-Series Phones? Is Nokia Turning Its Back on MobileVoIP? - GigaOM</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/2474/nokia-says-we-didnt-remove-the-voip/comment-page-1#comment-26683</link>
		<dc:creator>No VoIP In New Nokia N-Series Phones? Is Nokia Turning Its Back on MobileVoIP? - GigaOM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 14:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] this&#160;&#124;&#160;Comments [...]      August 28th, 2008  12:15 AM PT     Nokia Says: We Didn&#8217;t Remove the VoIP said:  [...] Malik says: &#8220;some of [Nokia&#039;s] new handsets, such as the new N78, are not VoIP [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Martin Dindos</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/2474/nokia-says-we-didnt-remove-the-voip/comment-page-1#comment-26682</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Dindos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 13:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with comment #1. I&#039;m using VOIP on Nokia&#039;s phone via my own asterisk server. How can Nokia expect me to develop my own Internet telephony application so that I can continue to use it? There are simply thousands of small users out there for whom this is beyond what they could do. This will leave them out in cold. 

And further comment. Any third party application will hve hard time to match the comfort of integrated symbian UI, where normal and internet calls are integrated together and one push of a button decides which one to make. Just compare this with Fring whose UI is just terrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with comment #1. I&#8217;m using VOIP on Nokia&#8217;s phone via my own asterisk server. How can Nokia expect me to develop my own Internet telephony application so that I can continue to use it? There are simply thousands of small users out there for whom this is beyond what they could do. This will leave them out in cold. </p>
<p>And further comment. Any third party application will hve hard time to match the comfort of integrated symbian UI, where normal and internet calls are integrated together and one push of a button decides which one to make. Just compare this with Fring whose UI is just terrible.</p>
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		<title>By: Markus Göbel's Tech News Comments</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/2474/nokia-says-we-didnt-remove-the-voip/comment-page-1#comment-26679</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus Göbel's Tech News Comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not as easy as Nokia is trying to say: There are hundreds or thousands of companies without an own software for mobile VoIP. They just rely on the SIP standard. In Germany it&#039;s GMX, 1&amp;1, Sipgate and the several Betamax daughters. Together they have millions of customers, I am one of them. These people cannot use VoIP on the new Nokia phones. I have always ten or more VoIP providers installed on my Nokia E61i&#039;s SIP client. This way I can always use the cheapest route and leverage free on net calls.

Read it here:
http://www.goebel.net/technews/2008/08/why-truphone-and-gizmo5-applaud-that.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not as easy as Nokia is trying to say: There are hundreds or thousands of companies without an own software for mobile VoIP. They just rely on the SIP standard. In Germany it&#8217;s GMX, 1&amp;1, Sipgate and the several Betamax daughters. Together they have millions of customers, I am one of them. These people cannot use VoIP on the new Nokia phones. I have always ten or more VoIP providers installed on my Nokia E61i&#8217;s SIP client. This way I can always use the cheapest route and leverage free on net calls.</p>
<p>Read it here:<br />
<a href="http://www.goebel.net/technews/2008/08/why-truphone-and-gizmo5-applaud-that.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.goebel.net/technews/2008/08/why-truphone-and-gizmo5-applaud-that.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Markus Göbel's Tech News Comments</title>
		<link>http://phoneboy.com/2474/nokia-says-we-didnt-remove-the-voip/comment-page-1#comment-26681</link>
		<dc:creator>Markus Göbel's Tech News Comments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;Nseries devices N78 and N96 lack an own SIP client, while Nokia before embraced mobile VoIP on it&#039;s Nseries and Eseries devices. Charlie Schick of Nokia Conversations says the report of the death of VoIP has been &quot;grossly exaggerated&quot; and people likePhoneboy, Gizmo5&#039;s Michael Robertson or the company Truphone are buying that argumentation, although it has its flaws. Truphone, Gizmo5 and Fring must have realized immediately that they are winning from Nokia&#039;s move. That&#039;s why they are holding back their&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a class="technorati-balloon" href="http://www.technorati.com/cosmos/search.html?url="><img src="http://static.technorati.com/images/bubble_h17.gif" class="technorati-balloon" alt="links from Technorati" style="border:0;" /></a>Nseries devices N78 and N96 lack an own SIP client, while Nokia before embraced mobile VoIP on it&#8217;s Nseries and Eseries devices. Charlie Schick of Nokia Conversations says the report of the death of VoIP has been &#8220;grossly exaggerated&#8221; and people likePhoneboy, Gizmo5&#8217;s Michael Robertson or the company Truphone are buying that argumentation, although it has its flaws. Truphone, Gizmo5 and Fring must have realized immediately that they are winning from Nokia&#8217;s move. That&#8217;s why they are holding back their</p>
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