Comments on: VoIP: OUT for 2009 http://phoneboy.com/2713/voip-out-for-2009 Simplifying Network Security, Telecom, Gadgets, and More! Thu, 18 Mar 2010 08:49:30 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: seamlessenterprise.com » Blog Archive » VoIP is More than Plumbing http://phoneboy.com/2713/voip-out-for-2009/comment-page-1#comment-27144 seamlessenterprise.com » Blog Archive » VoIP is More than Plumbing Wed, 21 Jan 2009 22:09:27 +0000 http://phoneboy.com/?p=2713#comment-27144 [...] Those with VoIP’s blood on their hands; Speaking the Unspeakable – VoIP; VoIP is NOT Dead!; VoIP Out for 2009; Jon Arnold Proclaims VoIP is Not Dead; VoIP in 2008 – “I’m not [...] [...] Those with VoIP’s blood on their hands; Speaking the Unspeakable – VoIP; VoIP is NOT Dead!; VoIP Out for 2009; Jon Arnold Proclaims VoIP is Not Dead; VoIP in 2008 – “I’m not [...]

]]> By: Revolutionary Information Infrastructure Systems » Blog Archive » Define "VoIP" - and then we can debate whether it is dead! http://phoneboy.com/2713/voip-out-for-2009/comment-page-1#comment-27129 Revolutionary Information Infrastructure Systems » Blog Archive » Define "VoIP" - and then we can debate whether it is dead! Tue, 06 Jan 2009 18:03:06 +0000 http://phoneboy.com/?p=2713#comment-27129 [...] Andy Abramson, Ken Camp, Jeff Pulver part 1 and part 2, Om Malik, Shidan Gouran, Ted Wallingford, Dameon Welch-Abernathy (PhoneBoy), Rich Tehrani and a zillion [...] [...] Andy Abramson, Ken Camp, Jeff Pulver part 1 and part 2, Om Malik, Shidan Gouran, Ted Wallingford, Dameon Welch-Abernathy (PhoneBoy), Rich Tehrani and a zillion [...]

]]> By: All we’re talking about is arbitrage — Alec Saunders SquawkBox http://phoneboy.com/2713/voip-out-for-2009/comment-page-1#comment-27126 All we’re talking about is arbitrage — Alec Saunders SquawkBox Mon, 05 Jan 2009 17:32:41 +0000 http://phoneboy.com/?p=2713#comment-27126 [...] VoIP: OUT for 2009 [...] [...] VoIP: OUT for 2009 [...]

]]> By: Jeff Pulver: Go To eComm! http://phoneboy.com/2713/voip-out-for-2009/comment-page-1#comment-27125 Jeff Pulver: Go To eComm! Mon, 05 Jan 2009 08:42:46 +0000 http://phoneboy.com/?p=2713#comment-27125 [...] VoIP: OUT for 2009 [...] [...] VoIP: OUT for 2009 [...]

]]> By: Stardust Global Ventures » Speaking the Unspeakable - VoIP http://phoneboy.com/2713/voip-out-for-2009/comment-page-1#comment-27117 Stardust Global Ventures » Speaking the Unspeakable - VoIP Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:59:33 +0000 http://phoneboy.com/?p=2713#comment-27117 [...] a couple of my brightest friends chiming in as well. Dameon Welch-Abernathy (aka Phoneboy) says in VoIP: OUT for 2009 that he agrees there’s innovation going on in VoIP (agreeing with Jeff Pulver, Andy Abramson, [...] [...] a couple of my brightest friends chiming in as well. Dameon Welch-Abernathy (aka Phoneboy) says in VoIP: OUT for 2009 that he agrees there’s innovation going on in VoIP (agreeing with Jeff Pulver, Andy Abramson, [...]

]]> By: VoIP: Dead or Alive? http://phoneboy.com/2713/voip-out-for-2009/comment-page-1#comment-27115 VoIP: Dead or Alive? Fri, 02 Jan 2009 02:53:59 +0000 http://phoneboy.com/?p=2713#comment-27115 [...] friend, Daemon sees a lot of hope in the new services that are emerging, but I remain skeptical. Not because I am a [...] [...] friend, Daemon sees a lot of hope in the new services that are emerging, but I remain skeptical. Not because I am a [...]

]]> By: PhoneBoy http://phoneboy.com/2713/voip-out-for-2009/comment-page-1#comment-27114 PhoneBoy Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:32:50 +0000 http://phoneboy.com/?p=2713#comment-27114 @juergen There are use cases (and locations) where VoIP STILL makes a lot of sense. It's not to say that VoIP as a technology (or a cost savings tool) is dead, it's just that it's like TCP/IP--it's plumbing. @spg The cost difference between CentruyTel and Comcast isn't that substantial, either. Granted I could get a little more with Comcast (like Canada calling and voicemail on the web), but I know exactly what I am getting with the LEC and the service has been rock solid. @juergen There are use cases (and locations) where VoIP STILL makes a lot of sense. It’s not to say that VoIP as a technology (or a cost savings tool) is dead, it’s just that it’s like TCP/IP–it’s plumbing.

@spg The cost difference between CentruyTel and Comcast isn’t that substantial, either. Granted I could get a little more with Comcast (like Canada calling and voicemail on the web), but I know exactly what I am getting with the LEC and the service has been rock solid.

]]> By: spg http://phoneboy.com/2713/voip-out-for-2009/comment-page-1#comment-27112 spg Thu, 01 Jan 2009 18:16:42 +0000 http://phoneboy.com/?p=2713#comment-27112 a fundamental confusion around VOIP in the USA has to do with the early entry of big and expensive carriers like vonage and packet8 and the cable companies like comcast. these companies of little extra value of anyone cares about and are only slightly less expensive than the much more reliable POTS line. in comparison in europe lots of people go for the smaller and much less expensive options most of which allow the use of any sip device. i would never recommend someone drop their POTS for comcast or vonage; it is not near as reliable. however for someone looking to really save a ton of money buying a skype hardware phone and getting an unlimited package and skypein number may make sense since the price difference is so great. all these other services like the ones you mention(JAJAH, MOBIVOX, ETC.) are really just about toll bypass even if they market themselves for the value add features, if the major operators move to unlimited international calling plans they will be out of business really fast. even with services like grandcentral if you read the forums it definatly gives the impression everyone either just wants a free DID number or wants to take advantage of free click to call long distance. the rest is a nuisance that people bear with for the sake of free service. a fundamental confusion around VOIP in the USA has to do with the early entry of big and expensive carriers like vonage and packet8 and the cable companies like comcast. these companies of little extra value of anyone cares about and are only slightly less expensive than the much more reliable POTS line. in comparison in europe lots of people go for the smaller and much less expensive options most of which allow the use of any sip device.

i would never recommend someone drop their POTS for comcast or vonage; it is not near as reliable. however for someone looking to really save a ton of money buying a skype hardware phone and getting an unlimited package and skypein number may make sense since the price difference is so great.

all these other services like the ones you mention(JAJAH, MOBIVOX, ETC.) are really just about toll bypass even if they market themselves for the value add features, if the major operators move to unlimited international calling plans they will be out of business really fast. even with services like grandcentral if you read the forums it definatly gives the impression everyone either just wants a free DID number or wants to take advantage of free click to call long distance. the rest is a nuisance that people bear with for the sake of free service.

]]> By: Juergen http://phoneboy.com/2713/voip-out-for-2009/comment-page-1#comment-27110 Juergen Thu, 01 Jan 2009 14:25:49 +0000 http://phoneboy.com/?p=2713#comment-27110 Must be a US thing... in Germany, thanks to the de-facto monopoly of Deutsche Telekom on normal landline phone service, a lot of ISPs offer extremely cheap VoIP services and the hardware to use those services extremely easy, too. Lately people have been enabled to get broadband even without ordering normal phone service, and rely solely on that for phone services via VoIP. Sure, there's no big "Everybody wants to buy VoIP" anymore... but the technology still is there getting more and more users. Then again, people in the US didn't really buy ISDN either - Deutsche Telekom made it a success in Germany ;-) Must be a US thing… in Germany, thanks to the de-facto monopoly of Deutsche Telekom on normal landline phone service, a lot of ISPs offer extremely cheap VoIP services and the hardware to use those services extremely easy, too. Lately people have been enabled to get broadband even without ordering normal phone service, and rely solely on that for phone services via VoIP.

Sure, there’s no big “Everybody wants to buy VoIP” anymore… but the technology still is there getting more and more users. Then again, people in the US didn’t really buy ISDN either – Deutsche Telekom made it a success in Germany ;-)

]]> By: VoIP, Web 2.0 and Mobile from LucaFiligheddu.com http://phoneboy.com/2713/voip-out-for-2009/comment-page-1#comment-27122 VoIP, Web 2.0 and Mobile from LucaFiligheddu.com Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://phoneboy.com/?p=2713#comment-27122 <!--%kramer-pre%-->going to die very soon? See you in 2010 to check what happened during 2009 Related articles by Zemanta VoIP: “If you hadn’t nailed its feet to the perch, it’d be pushin’ up the daisies!”VoIP: OUT for 20092008: The Year that VoIP died VoIP: Dead or Alive?<!--%kramer-post%--> links from Technoratigoing to die very soon? See you in 2010 to check what happened during 2009 Related articles by Zemanta VoIP: “If you hadn’t nailed its feet to the perch, it’d be pushin’ up the daisies!”VoIP: OUT for 20092008: The Year that VoIP died VoIP: Dead or Alive?

]]> By: Disruptive Telephony http://phoneboy.com/2713/voip-out-for-2009/comment-page-1#comment-27128 Disruptive Telephony Wed, 30 Nov -0001 00:00:00 +0000 http://phoneboy.com/?p=2713#comment-27128 <!--%kramer-pre%-->with the "VoIP is dead" debate continuing to rage across the VoIP/communications part of the blogosphere (see Alec Saunders part 1 and part 2, Jon Arnold, Andy Abramson, Ken Camp, Jeff Pulver part 1 and part 2, Om Malik, Shidan Gouran, Ted Wallingford,Dameon Welch-Abernathy (PhoneBoy), Rich Tehrani and a zillion others...) Aswath Rao and Luca Filigheddu came closest to the mark in their posts. The fundamental problem with this entire debate is simply this:Define "VoIP"? As I discussed in<!--%kramer-post%--> links from Technoratiwith the “VoIP is dead” debate continuing to rage across the VoIP/communications part of the blogosphere (see Alec Saunders part 1 and part 2, Jon Arnold, Andy Abramson, Ken Camp, Jeff Pulver part 1 and part 2, Om Malik, Shidan Gouran, Ted Wallingford,Dameon Welch-Abernathy (PhoneBoy), Rich Tehrani and a zillion others…) Aswath Rao and Luca Filigheddu came closest to the mark in their posts. The fundamental problem with this entire debate is simply this:Define “VoIP”? As I discussed in

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